July 15, 2013

Sony Updates Firmware Schedule, F5 to Get 240FPS 2K RAW in September

The Sony F5 and F55 have both been out for about half a year now, and if you've been hoping for some changes in the firmware update schedule outlined by Sony back in February, your wish has been granted. The company has been listening to feedback from users, and they're adjusting the update schedule, adding 240fps 2K RAW to the F5, as well as giving free ND filter knob upgrades for both cameras. If you've already got either camera, or you've been considering an upgrade, Sony has just added a ton of value to both, so check below for what you can expect over the next few weeks and months.

Some of the changes outlined by Peter Crithary in the Sony Forum:

Some major changes to the firmware timeline include the support of exposure tools, (more are coming in addition to what is listed in the charts), and the addition of 1.3 x Anamorphic. False Color is confirmed but exact implementation is being finalized and will be announced soon.

And later:

After significant feedback about the F5 high frame rate, we studied the possibility of increasing HFR to the same level as that of the F55, which is up to 240 frames per second. As a result of this effort we are proud to implement 240fps in the F5 in a future firmware update.

2K RAW: September will see the same frame rate values being implemented as the F55 which are 120P, 180P, and 240P.

XAVC HD: Both cameras will have 120P HFR

Later we will implement the Slow/Quick mode, meaning each frame can be individually dialed in, up to 240fps speed. (Refer to the charts below for more information)

ND filter knob – We are going to provide an upgraded filter knob for FREE later this month. Details will follow.

New Cables – For purchase, new cables connecting the DVF-EL100 OLED VF to the camera body will be available, expected later in July.

B4 2/3" lens adapter is confirmed, details will be posted here when available

Probably in light of consumer feedback and some increased competition from the rest of the camera industry, the Sony F5 is getting many of the features that were only going to find their way into the F55. Here is the updated firmware schedule:

For more information, check out the Sony forum using the link below.

Link: NEW Firmware Timeline Charts - July 2013 -- Sony Community Forum

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31 Comments

When I saw the charts with accurate timing and clear roadmaps for the updates one thought came to my mind.. FUCK CANON!!! my next system will be sony and this coming from canon Fanboy!

July 16, 2013 at 12:16AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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In other news....I just got emailed from B&H now has the Black Magic Cinema Camera MFT in stock:) yes!!!! Finally !

July 16, 2013 at 12:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Aaron

As an FS700 owner, I sure wish Sony paid us 1/10 the amount of attention they give to the F5 / F55. With the FS700, all we've got are half ass 4K solutions designed to protect the F5. It's still a really nice camera, but its really just an HD camera.

July 16, 2013 at 12:53AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Gene Sung

Convergent Design 7Q is targeted for a mid-August release. It will record 4K ProRes off FS 700 for about $4K more. You can get the full Sony 4K package with the R5 and the IFR5 right now. It'll be a bit pricey though, about $9K combined.

July 16, 2013 at 1:11AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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DLD

to use external 4K recorders you still need to buy 4K firmware update.

July 16, 2013 at 7:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Tulio

I honestly think investing in 4K on the FS700 is a waste of money. If I wanted that, it just seems better to just sell the FS700 and get an F5. I only want a paltry internal 4:2:2 50mbps 8-bit codec (not even 10 bit because I know that won't happen) so the FS700 can be broadcast legal. That is asking for so little on an $8K camera, especially when Sony just keeps adding and adding to the F5.

Like I said, I really like the FS700, but it's become the red-headed step child of the Sony line. The Sony FS700 4K solution is a complete oversized (physically) joke; and the CD recorder isn't capable of 4K RAW.

July 16, 2013 at 9:39AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Gene Sung

So, by September, F5 will be "refreshed" to a 10-bit 4K Raw camera? With all the add-ons, it'll be in the $25K-$30K range, basically the same price with the same specs as C500.

July 16, 2013 at 1:05AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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DLD

F5 already does 16-bit 60p 4K RAW to the R5 recorder

July 16, 2013 at 2:13AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Art

With the interface required?

July 16, 2013 at 2:58AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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DLD

Sony F5 + R5 recorder are total of 21840 dollars from B&H.

No extra interface needed. With this combination, you get 16-bit 4K RAW.

July 16, 2013 at 3:41AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Juhan-i

Plus AXSM Memory Cards and of course battery and viewrfinder

July 16, 2013 at 5:12AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Art

Ah, OK. The interface is only required for FS-700. F5 has it built in ... still, as mentioned below, you still need EVF and R5 recorder and those two are over $10K for the pair. (I did read somewhere that a less expensive 3rd party EVF can be used, albeit with the loss of some features ... maybe that was for FS 700) Plus lens, plus SxS cards and you're looking lose to $30K. C500 is currently priced at $23K. Plus, an outboard recorder for 4K (which run in the same ballpark as R5), plus lens. Sony does have a 16-bit color vs. 10 bit for Canon, thus a higher dynamic range (14 vs ... 12?), and a higher FPS rate. From specs alone, Sony has the edge. I am looking forward to Canon's upgrade of C300 into a 4K camera (with an outboard recorder, naturally).

July 16, 2013 at 10:13AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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DLD

Yes, you will need a battery and EVF or outboard monitor but, you don't have to buy Sony's. The higher frame rates are only available via the Sony recorder but, it can be rented for $500/day at Abel Cine. A reasonable amount for 240fps raw at 16bits.

Warning: Don't look at Sony's OLED EVF unless you want to be rendered completely spoiled and unable to use any other EVF currently available. The image on that thing is freakin' unbelievable.

July 16, 2013 at 11:56AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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dixter

You are correct sir. I had to go back to my Zacuto EVF the next day and was depressed for quite some time.

July 17, 2013 at 12:56AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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marklondon

And how many FPS can the C500 do?

July 16, 2013 at 7:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Tulio

Does the F5 record XAVC 4K internally? I thought it only did 4K Raw with external recorder. Can someone please clarify.

July 16, 2013 at 1:43AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Dimitri

Only F55 does XAVC 4K internally. Both F5 and F55 do 16-bit 4K RAW to R5

July 16, 2013 at 2:15AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Art

YessireeBob!!! Now we're talkin!

July 16, 2013 at 2:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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dixter

What is the image like on the F5/55? Is it boring and lifeless like the other sonys?

July 16, 2013 at 3:46AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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john jeffries

Better than any Canon ever made ..

July 16, 2013 at 4:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Art

I actually love the Sony look, but then again, I love hyper-sharp & hyper-saturated imagery, which Sony seems to excel at.

July 16, 2013 at 6:11AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Coming from Canon, I actually really like the look on my FS700 when using Cinegammas, especially Cine 1 which has this very old school, vintage feel. I agree, the old Sony image was really saturated and sharp, but I think the new profiles (S-Log and Cinegammas) give a very neutral image. The difference between the Canon look and the Sony look is that Canon's colors are pre-graded with a baked in look. Sony color just looks like how the scene really looks.

For me, since I have a ton of grading / post production experience, I would rather have a flat, realistic look because it makes the grade more flexible as opposed to having a baked in look. It might look "boring" straight from the camera, but for me I prefer boring since I grade everything; always have, always will.

If you don't like grading much, then I think Canon (or I really like the Black Magic picture profile) works great since it's essentially already been graded for you right out of the camera. But for me since I've had a ton of practice, it's really easy to make the Sony look like whatever I want since it's so neutral.

July 16, 2013 at 9:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Gene Sung

with canons i like to expose with neutral and then record with cinestyle so pretty flat all around. then i grade it after.

i just see films made with fs100/700s et al. and they are just so boring looking, like a camcorder. more "video" than "filmic"

f55 rentals are pretty cheap and ive been intrigued by them lately

July 16, 2013 at 3:11PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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john jeffries

http://vimeo.com/60927476

Classic example for F55 quality. Only 50 Mbit/sec MPEG2 (!!!) proxy clip that blows away many, many other pro cameras. Obviously guy has HQ lenses there, but still... That night stuff is just so damn nice.

July 16, 2013 at 4:48PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Juhan-i

@john jeffries. The image out of the F5 is somewhat flat and lifeless but, a log gamma should be just that. Boring perhaps, as you so eloquently put it. But, that 'boring' image is extremely rich in detail in shadows and hilites. In fact, it is fairly difficult to cook the hilites, even in bright sun.

As Gene Sung pointed out and, as I now firmly believe, the look of any camera is determined in the grade. (Unfortunately, some cameras come pre-graded.) Sony has given us an affordable (for some) camera that gives you a clean, high dynamic range picture with which to take anywhere you want it to go. This is a real video camera and nothing compares to it (not even the C500) in this price category. I'm really happy to own one.

July 16, 2013 at 11:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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dixter

Not sure why people put up with the constant twists and turns of dealing with Blackmagic Design when they can quickly and easily have reliable consistent quality from a great camera company. Well worth the extra money.

July 16, 2013 at 11:46AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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Pat

This purports to be a non-graded F5 footage (colors should be fairly accurately represented, should they not?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS31dQmDerU

July 16, 2013 at 2:07PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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DLD

I've had a soft spot for the F5 since it was announced. I think its the true value proposition for an experienced owner/op who mainly shoots broadcast/doco. Broadcast + quality, built like a tank, easy to operate, with decently priced addons for HS and 4K.
Had a client (who like to own their own kit) who wanted to use a big global doc budget to upgrade from C300s. They were hoping for the new Alexa, but I figured out an F5 based kit that gave them two complete rigs for @ the price of one budget Alexa. And they can upgrade to 4K when they feel the need over the next 24 months. That's not something the Alexa can currently match.
We then did the camera tests and they loved it.

July 17, 2013 at 1:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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marklondon

Glad to hear it! I, also, own an F3 which, is a great camera that, I feel, never got it's due. Hoping the F5 takes it's rightful place in the motion picture world as the most capable camera in it's price category. I shot with it again today and it's a joy to work with. Client was extremely happy. The F5 (and the F55) should go a long way to alleviate some of the negative prejudices some people have for Sony cameras and their image quality.

And Mark, saw your post about going back to your Zacuto EVF. Nothing personal against that piece of kit but, the Sony OLED EVF is unlike any viewfinder I've ever seen on any camera.

July 17, 2013 at 1:50AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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dixter

It is! I felt deep lust in my heart using it. The Zacuto felt very much the prosumer option after. I also use the Kinotechnic quite a bit and the Arri, but nothing beats that Sony OLED.
The F3 was/is a killer camera - that I didn't buy one 2 years ago is one of my main regrets, as I've rented it a bunch since, and would still use it if I owned it. Consider that its still selling used at over $7k for what is a non-broadcast cam. You can't hide in the used camera market.
The F5 definitely seems the next step in that line, with the F55 obviously the even higher option.

July 17, 2013 at 2:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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marklondon

If you happen to be in the Boston area, Rule Boston Camera is doing a Showroom Demo: Sony F5 and F55 4K Cameras: The Latest Firmware Upgrades and A Look Ahead to Future Upgrades and Enhancements.

Wednesday, 7/24/13 from 11am to 12n. RSVP: Events@rule.com

Join Jason Potz, RBC's Senior Engineer and F5/F55 in-house specialist, for an overview of the latest Firmware upgrade, which includes functional improvements such as exposure index control while shooting RAW and more. Jason will also preview future upgrades and enhancements scheduled for later this year and review overall key functions of both cameras.

July 17, 2013 at 12:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:21AM

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