January 22, 2014

JVC Has a New 4K Camera Coming for Under $2,000

JVC-4K-Camcorder-Photography-BayPanasonic unveiled the GH 4K and Sony showed off the FDR-AX100 at CES 2014, and apparently JVC got in on the 4K action as well. While JVC was really at the forefront of consumer 4K with the release of the GY-HMQ10 almost 2 years ago, that camera needed 4 separate SD cards to actually record 4K. JVC introduced a larger sensor 4K camera last year designed specifically for the Japanese market, the HMQ30, which borrowed the 4 SD card recording from the previous camera. Neither really make a lot of sense for convenience purposes, but it looks like the company is going to introduce a new 4K camera that should make a little more sense than their previous attempts.

Here is Photography Bay at this year's CES:

Additionally, JVC had its 4K version of the PX100 on display as a reference exhibit at CES 2014. The camera was tethered to a 4K display and streaming 4K footage from its HDMI port.

It is clear by looking the camera on display that it is a PX100. When I asked JVC about this, they admitted that it is actually a modified PX100 that can capture 4K vide0, which leads me to believe that the biggest (perhaps only) change to the PX100 is in the firmware.

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So essentially this is the same camera as the PX100, except for the addition of 4K. This may change by the time it is released, but you can expect it to be very similar to the current camera if that is indeed the case:

The 1/2.3-inch sensor of the PX100 is relatively small, much smaller than the 4K cameras coming from Sony and Panasonic. It's very early yet, so lots of details could change, but if they want a larger audience for the camera, they should include 24fps as an option in this new 4K camera (the PX100 can't do 24fps). While they aren't aiming for the filmmaking market in the first place, at least they could give the user those options when it's clear the camera should be capable of the lower frame rates.

There is no other information yet (I expect it to arrive sometime in 2014), but it will likely shoot a very compressed 4K so that it can fit onto one SD card. For $2,000, it seems like the Panasonic GH 4K and the Sony FDR-AX100 cameras might be better options for people who really want something more consumer-oriented that can shoot 4K.

Link: JVC 4K Camera for “Under $2,000″ on Display at CES 2014

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That is the most awkward looking camera I've ever seen.

January 22, 2014 at 1:00PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Pat

It's a JVC camera. What did you expect. They never made a decent aesthetically pleasing camera.

January 22, 2014 at 1:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Hubert

The JVC GY-HD110/200 were nice cameras.

January 22, 2014 at 2:10PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Eric

I didn't say I expected better, but even for them...

January 22, 2014 at 2:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Pat

I really like the form factor. Looks like a great tool to handle. Viewfinder in the right place (maybe a bit small and crappy resolution), handle in the right place... really interesting new concept.

No this thing should feature a m43 or s35 sensor, good codec... 10bit... and so on.

January 23, 2014 at 1:57AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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neveraholiday

Another JVC LOL crap device. What a waste.

January 22, 2014 at 1:22PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Kuk

Yes, but... for greenscreen use, the smaller chip will produce less shallow DOF so thats a good thing for chroma shooting - and lets remember that FF sensors have their downfalls for certain types of filming (like greenscreen) but a highly compressed codec wont stand up against RAW cameras. For film makers with limited budgets its nice to see cheaper cameras in the 4K domain but I'll stick to 'my other wife' FS700 for now...

January 22, 2014 at 6:17PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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shaun wilson

You say it will be good for green screen that without knowing the color space??

January 22, 2014 at 10:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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This 4k stuff is getting out of control. The quality of an image is so much more than just the amount of pixels it has. Take the Alexa for example. It's not a 4k camera but there aren't many digital cameras that can hang with it 4k or otherwise. This JVC won't even cross my mind the next time I'm making camera choices.

January 22, 2014 at 1:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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relax man, 4k is it, although your statements are valid to a certain extent. JVC is not that good an haven't been since vhs.

January 22, 2014 at 1:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Think of it like the megapixel war that DSLRs and P&S's went through over the last several years; now any camera that says 4k is "hot". You'd be surprised at how many people with too much money will buy a $1500 video camera cause it says 4k

January 22, 2014 at 5:19PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Chris

"Modified" probably means "a new processor and more onboard memory on the same motherboard".
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At any case, I just looked at Sony's lineup for the CP+ that opens in less than a month in Japan and saw what looked like - all photos, no captions, mind you - an FS 100/700 and a VG 30/900 types among a bunch of DSLR/DSLM and P&S/compact bodies. Considering that FS 100/700 have been around for a couple of years now and Sony is refreshing their lineup much faster than their competitors these days, my suspicion is that these are new detachable lens 4K cams. One would be/should be closer to AX 1 ($4,500), the other to Z 100 ($5,500). This is all speculation on my part but the models will be revealed soon enough to prove me right or wrong.

January 22, 2014 at 1:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

There's a fine line between the fs700 (with upgrades) and an F5. The fs700 replacement would put the f5 in a stcky situation. I see a camera above the fs100 right at or a little below the fs700 (maybe smaller chip, a compact interchangeable lens) priced right below the fs700. I think that's why Sony delayed the fs700 so long to get 4k. Almost a year and half. Until convergent design gets it situated we still don't see any 4k from the fs700. The Sony solution isn't much of an option for most of us. It's just my guess, but who knows...

January 22, 2014 at 2:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Anthony Marino

I suspect similar recording options as with AX 1 (internal 4K @ 100 Mbps with XAVC-S/Long GOP ) and Z 100 (4K @ 600 Mbps max with XAVC Intra-Frame). FS 700 will give you Raw with Sony's own recorder and digital interface for about $20K (a discounted package on Abel Cine ... or was over the holidays). This "bazooka" set-up doesn't seem to be popular though. And, at some point, you have to refresh the lineup. Sony's actually been beating people to the punch lately. We'll know more in about three weeks.

January 22, 2014 at 3:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

I hope whatever they put out as far as a "pro/semi pro" camera, it comes out of the box with more than an 8 bit recording mode.

January 22, 2014 at 6:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Anthony Marino

Z 100 is 10 bit 4:2:2, is it not? I don't see why this should be different. The prosumer/semipro catch is that it's going to be "only" 200 Mbps at 24p (going up to 600 Mbps at 60p), making it fairly compressed with the H.264 codec. IMO, they should incorporate what they now call "digital interface" into the body of FS 700 or its successor. Of course, that would compete directly with F5.
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PS. If the new Nikon D4s has 4K, as is rumored, the sub-$10K 4K market is going to be blown wide open because it'll likely be a direct competitor to 1D C at half the price. No guarantee that this is what's going to happen - and, for the record, I didn't think it would - but, when you have a 4K consumer camera at $2K, surely a triply-quadruply priced semi-pro cam can't be far behind. And, if that's the case, how many F5's is Sony going to sell anyway.

January 22, 2014 at 11:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

The GH4k will also be a direct competitor to the Canon 1D for video. I don't expect it will compete with it for photography, except for in black and white. But since individual frames of 4K video can be used for still photography it will be interesting to see what frames from the GH4K will look like. They may make for nice photos.

January 23, 2014 at 12:10AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

You don't need Convergent Design to get 4K out of the FS700 just the R5 back and the adapter. Makes a heck of a long set up if you're going to shoulder it but it just about doable. F5 shoots in many flavours now and with the new center crop mode at 2K it's hard to beat.

January 22, 2014 at 6:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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JPS

This feels like trolling....

January 22, 2014 at 1:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Joe Marine
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24fps is a pretty standard frame rate. Must be trolling.

January 22, 2014 at 7:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Jeff

There seems to be sensitive feelings about film. But I wonder if it's mostly coming from the same person using many different names who is either angry about losing work in film because digital has grown so big, so fast, or, if it's just someone trying to be devious and stir up arguments and laugh about it later.

Either way those comments aren't productive.

January 22, 2014 at 8:02PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

Neither yours

January 22, 2014 at 9:56PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Marcus

Given the most recent offerings from them, it actually doesn't seem too far off.

I can't remember the last time I've seen a JVC camera in use. anywhere. And announcements like these just sound like more nails in the coffin.

January 23, 2014 at 9:53AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Swissted

Actually, they're quite popular with the ENG crowd with their run&gun models. This is, of course, a pure consumer - a consumer with deep pockets, to be sure - camera. A 4K pro cam in the $2,000 range is probably a year or two away. But, looking at price trends for something like a 2.5K BMCC, it'll come.

January 23, 2014 at 10:20AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

A pro camera in the $2k range? Gimme a break. There are few pro camera accessories in the $2k range! And that's how it will always be.

January 23, 2014 at 8:17PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Daniel Mimura

I went to the 'biggest camera store in the southern hemisphere' which used to sell higher end stuff years ago, and the sales girl presented the full HD JVC etc, as prosumer cameras. Pity. It turned out a lot better than expected. With a bit of work and a descent 4k spec it could be a good budget prosumer camera that some low end pros would use.

January 23, 2014 at 10:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Wayne

Since the PX100 does 60fps at 1080, I wonder if this new 4K camera will be capable of 120fps at 1080.

January 22, 2014 at 2:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Eric

i dont want 4k, i want pro res 1080p, in a large sensor, in a camera from sony o panasonic, canon, nikon, under $2000, not bmcc.

January 22, 2014 at 2:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Nelson

well buy 1080p no one is stopping you, why do you feel the need to post in a 4k camera post?

January 22, 2014 at 2:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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ok, i ll do, when you tell me which one to buy

January 22, 2014 at 4:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Nelson

I don't see Sony, Panasonic, Canon, and Nikon offering ProRes anytime soon because of the licensing process (if ever). They don't already have deals with Apple like Blackmagic did.

January 22, 2014 at 2:31PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Joe Marine
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They're all waiting on HEVC based acquisition format/s. With nothing yet announced, most brand name manufacturers are bunched up together at the starting gate while working out the final bugs out of their new codecs. For which, they'll need an updated infrastructure and that's still in its nascent stages as well. And licensing agreements and partnerships are a step behind that.

January 22, 2014 at 11:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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DLD

Buy a full frame camera and a Ninja 2.

January 22, 2014 at 3:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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FabDex

Since the GY-HMQ10, JVC reputation is so much in tatters that even if they could bring an Arri Alexa killer at Panasonuc GH3 prices people would not buy it.

January 22, 2014 at 3:32PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Tulio

Who'd have thought 4K would be such a race to the bottom? Should pair well with my $30 disposable 30 megapixel stills camera.

January 22, 2014 at 4:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Swissted

I would have :) and fully agree!

January 22, 2014 at 8:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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any news on the frame rates and resolutions

January 22, 2014 at 5:16PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Whispers

Honestly anything less than 10 bit @4k or 2k resolution is a waste of time, its 2013 and a small sensor 8 bit camera will not cut it.

When and if gopro announces a 4k camera with minimized artifact compression, then most of basic 8 bit cameras will be obsolete

January 22, 2014 at 5:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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JAYE

It would be stunning if GoPro does get 4K at 24fps with the same quality it has now at 1440p for $400.00. Nick Woodman just said, "You ain't seen nothing yet" in his acceptance for GoPro winning an Emmy on January 9, 2014. So I am certain he has something in 4k in that tiny camera planned.

Video of the acceptance speech: [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOct5RbkZIo ]

January 22, 2014 at 8:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

OFF TOPIC: Magic Lantern pulls 15 stops of dynamic range out of the 5D3

http://www.canonrumors.com/2014/01/magic-lantern-increases-canon-5d-iii-...

January 22, 2014 at 6:11PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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VinceGortho

If you think 4K has just been slick snake oil advertising to sucker people into spending money then please contact Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, ESPN, and ARRI and save them because all of them are going 4K. Should I believe the people that run these IMMENSELY successful companies are stupid, or, that the commenters on the internet who say 4K is just slick advertising are stupid?

Jus sayin.

January 22, 2014 at 8:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Gene

So how good is this "4K" gonna look like, say with typical crap datarate... Every single compression scheme works by removing high frequency detail from the signal first. Which means, in laymans term, resolution goes out of the window first.

Other, even bigger dirty secret is that "4K" does not look that special. The jump from the SD to FullHD was a lot bigger visually than jump from 1080P to "4".

"4k" looks good, but nothing special, especially with ordinary TV sizes (50,60 etc.).

January 24, 2014 at 4:54AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Juhan-i

Huh? JVC still exists? Why...

January 23, 2014 at 12:28AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Skeptikal

JVC's video camera division has consistently come up with innovative products for their entry-level professional line but missed the mark in terms of practical application. I thought the figured it out with the excellent HD-GY series of camcorders, but it appears their R&D department is back to over-thinking things.

January 23, 2014 at 10:43AM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Marc B

These haters are not happy themselfs. Do they also hate old analog film just because its sometimes has almost 4K resolution or IMAX? :D

January 23, 2014 at 2:59PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Kuk

JVC always does ...interesting stuff.
But we still stick to Panasonic, Sony and Canon for all our gear.
I feel like they just aim too high for features and then try to hit unrealistic price points.
So their stuff is always unreliable and missing key professional features at the expense of some cheaper gee whiz feature.
hence 4k, but not at 24fps.

January 23, 2014 at 4:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Russ D

I knew it, there was something strange about that camera, and there should be a 4k version.

They need to do 4kp50 at least 100mb/s-144mb/s and a bigger sensor.

Now only if you van hack the present version to at least 4k HDMI.

January 23, 2014 at 9:46PM, Edited September 4, 11:45AM

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Wayne