April 7, 2014

2 Camera-Mounted Recorders from Atomos: 4K Shogun & Pocket-Size Ninja Star

Atomos is well-known for their award-winning camera-mounted recorders, like the Ninja and Samurai, and at NAB, they've added a couple of recording/monitoring solutions to the family. Atomos announces the world's first 12G SDI and 4K HDMI I/O monitor recorder and deck, the Shogun, the only 4K HDMI recording/monitoring solution that can take full advantage of the new A7S. Also, the pocket-sized Ninja Star Pro-Res recorder, which can be mounted just about anywhere. Continue on to learn more.

Atomos Shogun

Yesterday, during their press conference at NAB, Sony announced their new, ultra sensitive camera, the A7s, however if you want to take advantage of the camera's 4K HDMI output, you're going to need an external 4K recorder. Enter the Shogun, which plays a dual role as a field recorder and a field monitor. Here's a bit from Atomos' press release:

"Shogun is the culmination of everything we stand for, amazing edit codec’s from the sensor like 4K Apple ProRes and RAW Cinema DNG. Affordable 4K recording through Raided HDD’s and SSD’s and unbelievable custom panels for monitoring." said Jeromy Young, CEO and Founder of Atomos. "Super light and slim and at a price point under 2K. We offer a faster more affordable camera to timeline workflow with revolutionary 4K cameras from Sony, Panasonic and Canon."

The new Atomos Shogun is the world's first 12G SDI & 4K HDMI I/O monitor recorder and deck and features a stunning 1920x1080 SuperAtom IPS 7" touchscreen, 325 PPI 179-degree viewing, 400nit brightness and multi-frequency (48/50/60Hz) operation, depending on video input, giving super-smooth monitoring and playback.

Though the Shogun seems aimed at being the 4K recording solution for the A7s (surely many others are on the way), it's also compatible with cameras like the Panasonic GH4 or C500. The Shogun can record 24, 25, or 30p, and up to 120fps depending on the capabilities of the camera being used. According to Atomos' press release, the Shogun will cost under $2000 and will ship at the end of Q3 beginning Q4 (sometime between September to October, I'm guessing).

Atomos Ninja Star

The Ninja Star recorder has a lot to offer. From the Atomos press release:

By listening closely to their customers Atomos recognised a common need for a light and portable Apple ProRes recorder which has greater flexibility with mounting options. The dimensions of the Ninja Star are slender at only 3.5" wide, 2.3" tall and 0.8" deep and it weighs a fraction of a normal recorder at just 100grams (3.5 oz). The Ninja Star is perfect for creative or extreme camera work or in situations where a large monitor is prohibitive or stealth is required.

This is a small, lightweight, easily mountable recorder with fast read/write speeds that can record for up to 5 hours. It writes to CFast cards, which are sold at up to 256 GB, which means that you could record up to 2 hrs and 40 mins of ProRes footage on just a single card. The Ninja Star costs $295 and will ship late May 2014.

To find out more, be sure to check out the Atomos website.

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36 Comments

HAHA....2 minute flight times with this on a Phantom.

April 7, 2014 at 3:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Alex

Pitty that CFast cards cost several times the price of the Ninja Star!

April 7, 2014 at 3:29PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Owen

Anyone know where gen' 1 CFast cards are available for purchase? It seems like B&H and other major retailers carry 2.0 versions only (which as others have pointed out are more expensive that the Ninja Star).

April 7, 2014 at 3:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Hmm.. No mention anywhere about Shogun compatibility with the Fs700.. Hoping for this to be a reasonably priced option for it since the media on Convergent Design is a bit of a rip off..

April 7, 2014 at 4:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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johnny

I don't think the Convergent media is that overpriced- have you looked at Cfast? They are a fortune currently!

April 7, 2014 at 4:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shogun uses ssds not cfast, right?

April 7, 2014 at 4:41PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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johnny

Article says - ¨Affordable 4K recording through Raided HDD’s and SSD’s¨. Well just have to wait and see, no rush to 4k for me just yet :)

April 7, 2014 at 4:45PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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johnny

Convergent Design media is more cost effective than just about any other professional solution on the planet.
$1.50 per gb compared to a red mag which is nearly $10 per gb! And if you were worried about the Odyssey 7Q's price, here's some perspective....the smallhd dp7 Oled is the same price as the 7Q, yet has no recording capabilities what so ever. CD are nailing the price points in my opinion.

April 7, 2014 at 4:52PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kyron

Seems like it when you look at it that way. Here is a quote from Phillip Blooms article about the 7Q and the amount of data you can get on the Sony recorder and the Odyssey 7Q:

SONY R5

4K 24/25/30p on the AXS system is just over 1 hours for 512GB

4K 50p/ 60p on the AXS system is just over 30 minutes for 512gb

ODYSSEY 7Q

4K 24/25/30p on the 7Q is 24 minutes per 512GB card.

4k 50p/60p on the 7Q is 12 minutes per 512GB. This needs to be raided. So 2 256GB cards or two 512GB cards (that will give you 24 minutes)

Here is the full article, if you're interested: http://philipbloom.net/2014/04/04/7q/

April 7, 2014 at 5:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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johnny

So if this is correct the cost of media for those two options are pretty much the same. That said I would pick the 7Q any day of the week, but since I'm not in a rush here I'll just wait and see where this is going.

April 7, 2014 at 5:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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johnny

Sony must have provided Atomos's entire advertising budget for Shogun (because I don't see any Panasonic products in the picture here). These alliances surely form fast ... almost C-Fast.

April 7, 2014 at 5:25PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

We work closely with Canon, Nikon and Sony. If we had the GH4 I would have made a video with it. We do have some basic GH4 images in our print brochures.

When we get our hands on a GH4, we will promote that as well along with all the Japanese camera manufactures. Both products are great along with the Shogun and our current product line up for HD solutions.

-Brooke | atomos.com

April 7, 2014 at 11:08PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Thank you for the 12G SDI and the larger screen. I appreciate both.

April 8, 2014 at 4:01AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Gene

Any info on this with FS700? I'd like to see where it's going as well cuz well, yeah it's either this or the 7Q which is a bit overkill in terms of capabilities for me as well.

April 8, 2014 at 2:10PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Paul

Wait... does the Ninja Star record in 4K? Or only in 1080p?

April 7, 2014 at 6:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Yep, tell us.

April 7, 2014 at 6:25PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kuk

It says nothing about 4K on the Star .. so 1080p it is.
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PS. One would have to think that the 7" monitor on Shogun is a response to Q7. Even if Atomos itself was ambivalent about it, a typical salesperson pitch is "more is better" (hey, I saw that AT&T ad too).
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PPS If SSD's are open source/off the shelf, their prices are likely to decline much faster than the proprietary versions. AJA's spokesman in that Cion interview mentioned that current AJA SSD's run about $2.5/GB whereas on the open market is under a dollar per (Intel 430) and going lower all the time.

April 7, 2014 at 9:14PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

The Ninja Star fits in our HD solution series. It's geared at Action Cameras, DLSRs and multi-cam shoots.

-Brooke | atomos.com

April 7, 2014 at 11:10PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Hi Brooke
The Ninja Star looks great but, with a 256 GIG CFAST 2.0 card, it is going to cost about $1000. The version 1.0 cards you guys kept referring to at NAB do not seem to exist anywhere on the web as far as I can tell.
I can understand that quadcopter users might be willing to spend that kind of money to keep the weight down but you are positioning the Ninja Star at DSLR and Multi camera shooters (like me) as well.
Why would we buy the Star when the Ninja2 plus an SSD/HDD costs quite a lot less?
Are we missing something here?

April 21, 2014 at 1:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mark Buchanan

Does it record 50/60p over hdmi? Don't think any of the ninja, samurai, any of them do 50/60p

April 7, 2014 at 6:57PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Timmytimetravel

Up to 120FPS HD.

http://www.atomos.com/shogun/

-Brooke | atomos.com

April 7, 2014 at 11:09PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Brooke, can you tell me what c-fast 1 is? Is it just regular CF cards? There is next to no mention of c-fast 1 on the internet and they don't appear to be sold at B&H. Confusing to suddenly hear this!

April 8, 2014 at 2:25AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dan

I found it very interesting that, although the Atomos guys at NAB kept talking about only needing 1.0 CFAST cards for the NInja Star, they actually had the very expensive 2.0 card in their demo unit.
Could someone at Atomos please clarify what CFAST 1.0 is and where those cards can be bought?

April 21, 2014 at 1:19PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mark Buchanan

i know is shoots slow motion but is that only for cameras that have those slow mo options. for instance will it give you slow motion for the c100?

April 9, 2014 at 12:35AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Angelo

No...

April 9, 2014 at 2:06PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Brian

Ah, the ninja star I mean.. 50/60p? Not on their website. Anyone there can ask them on the floor?

April 7, 2014 at 11:42PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Timmytimetravel

FS700 compatibility?

April 8, 2014 at 6:04AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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shaun wilson

Since Sony is somewhat involved in the Shogun already through the A7s, I really wish they make this the cheaper go to recorder for the fs700 users. With all the cheap 4k rolling out right now, that wouldn't be a bad move..

April 8, 2014 at 7:14AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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johnny

I know probably it's not tested yet, but will the Shogun work with the new AJA CION camera, recording 4K through SDI? If so, maybe it could be a cheaper solution to AJA's Pak media, especially since you would need a monitor for this camera.

April 8, 2014 at 6:49AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Stel

All I want is the smallest external recorder possible for 4K. Why can't we have something that neatly sits underneath a GH4 body with CFast cards in the form of a small hyperdeck shuttle? Everything's got to be doubled as a huge monitor for $2K plus! This angers me...

April 8, 2014 at 12:25PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Ben Corwin

CFAST serves downsizing. However, CFAST is very expensive.

April 9, 2014 at 12:05AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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karuchie

I think Atomos dropped the ball on this with CFast as the recording media. Why not Msata that has very similar size specifications at a far more affordable price and reputable brands.

April 9, 2014 at 11:12PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Krishna Yalla

Affordable 4K recording through Raided HDD’s and SSD’s and unbelievable custom panels for monitoring.” said Jeromy Young

April 10, 2014 at 12:47AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Yes, I agree. I have spent days trying to find high-capacity 1.0 CFAST cards anywhere on the web and they don't exist, as far as I can tell.

April 21, 2014 at 1:15PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mark Buchanan

Damn, not long ago I bought the Cineroid EVF4RW Retina EVF Monitor so I could actually see what I was doing on the BMPCC. And that EVF was not cheap and not a recorder - around $1000. Had I known the Atomos Shogun was coming I would have waited! With the Shogun it will be possible to get much longer record times out of the BMPCC without having to worry about SD cards filling and without warning! Plus the Shogun screen is much larger than the Cineroid although having the loop option on the Cineroid is great for really bright days. My GH4 is pre-ordered so will need the Shogun regardless for 4K not to mention for the Sony A7s. I have probably a dumb question here: when recording onto an external recorder like this, does one also have to actually begin recording on the camera itself which of course would be recording onto the camera's internal SD card simultaneously or can the camera just remain in standby/monitor mode while outputting clean HMDI 4K, ProRes, Raw? In other words, once the camera is set for whatever codec, is the quality of the that codec outputted through the HMDI for external recording when the camera is in standby? If so, this would certainly cut down on SD card costs unless of course you are wanting backup with both files.

April 10, 2014 at 2:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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i want to know if the ninja star will record high bit rate video from the hacked gh2??or what will happen to the signal when it finds a signal it cant record??my gh2 has a bit rate of over 200+.so,,does this mean any camera with a hdmi out can record to the ninja at 4.2.2 HQ?no matter if its 17mgbt second?s that means a small ordinry camera can now output a professional signal like hg422 to this recorder??like my little olympus epm-1 mini???that would be amazing if true.hard to believe though.that would make every consumer camera with hdmi out a pro recording camera???no wayyy...NNOOOOO,,,WAAAYY....can smeone let me know this,,,no one asked these questions on NAB VIDEOS.pro res 422 on a consumer camera???my gh2 can now shoot pro res 422 at 240 mbt sec over hdmi,,,????nooo bleeping way.

June 13, 2014 at 3:40PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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