April 10, 2014

Atomos Shows us the 'Shogun' 4K Recorder and the $295 HDMI 'Ninja Star'

Hot on the heels of the February announcement of the award-winning Ninja Blade, Atomos have announced two new products that cover the budgetary gamut of external recording needs. Click through to watch Joe Marine's interview with Atomos Business Development Manager Will Thompson at NAB to discuss functionality, pricing and availability:

Shogun:

  • 4K recording to ProRes, Cinema DNG RAW, Avid DNx up to 30p or 60i
  • HD recording up to 120fps
  • Fully calibrated 1920 x 1200 touchscreen monitor
  • Records to 2.5" Harddrives and SSDs
  • Waveform monitoring, vectorscope, focus peaking
  • Cut and tag editing for the metadata of the clips
  • HDMI and SDI
  • $1,995
  • Shipping August / September

Ninja Star:

  • No monitor, ProRes recorder
  • $295
  • C fast cards
  • HDMI out
  • Targeted for DJI helicopters, B-cameras etc
  • Shipping mid-May

Share your thoughts on the new Atomos recorders in the comments below and stay up to date with this week's announcements at our NAB master post.

To find out more, be sure to check out the Atomos website.

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Nice body paint.

April 10, 2014 at 9:18PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Seriously, am I the only one that found the body paint not only distracting, but also in bad taste. I mean, I understand the long history of using models at trade shows and that video in particular is one big sausage fest, but this seems a little over the top for selling recorders. It makes me actually not want to buy Atomos products.

April 11, 2014 at 2:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Casey

I went to a CES in January, 1991 and the old Sahara Hotel had a simultaneous exhibition of porn stars in the main ballroom and the high end audio in the various suits ... suffice it to say, there were more people in the main ballroom ... ogling $20,000 tube amps, I reckon, didn't appeal to many ...

April 11, 2014 at 2:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

It was done with very decent taste maybe only something in your mind is just a little bit unsure about it so you rather call it bad taste. ;)

April 13, 2014 at 1:04PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kuk

Decent taste? She was naked, dressed only in paint, and had to stand there with her nipples out all smiles like a prop rather than a person. Imagine a guy doing it. It's the definition of objectification.

April 14, 2014 at 12:05PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dave Cearley

She wasn't naked. She had covers over her nipples.

April 17, 2014 at 3:27AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Ap

I agree with the point Casey was making. Atomos already have a pretty slick product, and agree it was over the top in that segment (pardon the pun) for what was being sold. Can understand having 'pretty folks on stand to help sell stuff, but at the end of the day a gearfest is really about the gear. On that note, pretty pumped for the latest stuff they've put out, good job catering for different ends of the market :)

April 14, 2014 at 3:44AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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JD

I'm glad someone brought this point up! It winds me up. I'm a man, but I'm really not a fan of the casual sexism that occurs in most industries, particularly advertising.

April 14, 2014 at 1:23PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Liam

I agree. It's in poor taste.

April 15, 2014 at 3:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Caleb B.

Agreed: sexist, objectifying, unnecessary and puts me off buying their products.

April 17, 2014 at 3:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tom

I agree. It's just unnecessary, honestly. It's off-putting even more so because you're meeting peers and other professionals. While it's not a formal event, it's not comic-con either. Models and stuff are fine, but to have them in just body-paint was a bad call.

May 14, 2015 at 2:45PM

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Some of us actually appreciate the beauty of the feminine form. This is why we can't have nice things anymore, this generation of hyper-sensitive girly-men who tuck their penises between their legs and live in a constant state of apology for anything remote unique or interesting. SHAME!

July 2, 2016 at 12:36AM, Edited July 2, 12:35AM

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Elias Sampson
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Typical male macho Aussie exploitation of women, not a distraction, but a throwback. Anyone who buys booth babes at NAB no matter the product only shows the misogynist side of that entities upper management style. Pathetic, I'll opt for BMD for now.

April 17, 2014 at 6:34PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Rob Manning

Agreed. Take a gander down the Parramatta road some saturday afternoon and you'll see everything from washing machines to Cars promoted bit liberal use of minimal clad "chicks".
It just ends up taking away from the product, which is great, but a shame about the silly misogynistic promotional concept.

November 5, 2014 at 3:56AM

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devtank
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Makes me want to spend more time in Australia.

July 2, 2016 at 12:42AM

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Elias Sampson
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Agreed. nice body paint LOL!

Some people need to get off their politically correct high horse and grow a sense of humor FFS.

The camera man trying to get a fix on the product without getting too much boob in the shot made me laugh out loud - which made my morning. Hardly reason to complain.

April 18, 2014 at 7:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Terence Kearns

At the beginning: No bad, Interesting...

After Minute 6:04: TAKE MY MONEY!!!

April 10, 2014 at 9:43PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Edgar

Hi guys!
May I ask you a question? I'm not an expert so, forgive my inexperience: that recorder could record Magic Lantern Raw from Canon 5D Mark III?

April 10, 2014 at 10:20PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Manuel

No, it could not. The recorder can only record what's provided to it; Magic Lantern doesn't currently change the quality of the HDMI output from the 5D Mk. III, so the best one would be able to record will be 4:2:2 8-bit 1080p.

April 11, 2014 at 12:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mr Blah

Thank you so much Mr Blah!

April 11, 2014 at 2:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Manuel

2k for a 4K recorder not bad especially since its not proprietary media.

April 10, 2014 at 10:31PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Yeah it's not bad. Although for an extra $1K you can get a Blackmagic Production Camera 4K and record in similar formats anyway. But then I suppose their screen is smaller (less flexible).

We're spoiled for choice.

April 18, 2014 at 7:39PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Terence Kearns

Nice outfit.

April 10, 2014 at 10:44PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Rodrigo Molinsky

Paring the Ninja Star with CFast cards makes no sense to me.
At its maximum recording bitrate, the Ninja Star will hit 220 Mb/s when recording 1080p ProRes HQ, right?
That's 27.5 MB/s, when the slower side of the older generation of CFast cards rarely dips below 50 MB/s and most CFast cards on the market now push hundreds of megabytes per second and cost even more hundreds of dollars. The 60 GB CFast 2.0 cards from SanDisk cost more than double what the Ninja Star costs and record at 225 MB/s.
Why not just use regular CF cards??

April 11, 2014 at 1:30AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mr Blah

Maybe they are thinking - and if they aren't, they should be - about making a 4K Star? Then, the CFast cards will come in handy. Meanwhile, the unit itself should need only minor tweaking.

April 11, 2014 at 1:43AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

I know! I like Atomos (mostly cause they use HDDs) but I absolutely hate it when manufacturers push unnecessary expensive media, and they make a big point that they could have gone with CFast 2.0 but didn't to save us money on media... wth, they are both unnecessary expenses! We record raw 14bit on CF cards for heaven sakes lol

Even with the Blackmagic Hyperdeck requiring the more expensive SSD drives (compared to HDDs) it works out to be more affordable than the Ninja star and CFast cards (plus I need a CFast card reader now). I like the price and size but that media will keep me away until the CFast prices are more reasonable. When they add 4k or cDNG support I'll take another look, I bet they call it the "Kunai"! :D

April 11, 2014 at 2:12AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Peter Kent

Whilst thinking of purchasing the Shogun for my FS100 and AX100 for the immediate future and perhaps the FS700 and/or the A7s down the line, I was also considering the Ninja Star for my VG20.

However, once I realised that CFast cards are extremely limited in Japan even on sites like Amazon, Rakutent and Yodobashi Camera which lists ONE 8GB card only, I think Atomos have made a major decision fail in their choice of media. True, I found a 128GB card from Apacer (never heard of them) in the US at 31,00JPY + 5,700JPY for shipping! There is no way I'm going to fork out that kind of money for a brand I don't know or have never heard of and pay such a high price for shipping of media. Naturally, Japanese customs will apply local sales tax and import duty on top of that. It ain't happening.

Ironically for a product named after Japan, I foresee potentially poor sales here simply because of the choice of media. Utter disappointment. Why didn't they go for the new XQD cards or even for Compact Flash?

April 13, 2014 at 6:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Andrew

Agreed. I think a product that is supposed to appeal to the budget concsious is gonna shoot itself in the foot by requiring expensive media. The only people who will buy this will be drone operators who are flush with cash and want a slightly better picture. Choosing CFAST over CF is idiotic. Premature at least. They should have simply asked people in the target market. Looks like they didn't talk to anyone. Most of us have loads of fast CF cards lying around anyway. We could spend the $295 and be up and running right away with no more to spend. Idiots.

April 18, 2014 at 7:49PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Terence Kearns

Quoting Ryan Koo, founder of this blog:
"Note that some of these videos follow the standard tradeshow practice of camera manufacturers: bring in female models to a predominantly male world in order to show “skin tones.” I’m not judging, just saying"
Instantly thought of this when I saw the video, as him I'm not judging.
Source: http://nofilmschool.com/2011/09/sonys-nex-5n-review/

April 11, 2014 at 3:36AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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David Martin

So do we have any idea yet on what the Shogun will do data storage wise? Say we are recording 10bit 444 (is that even possible to Pro Res on this device?) to one of their raid arrays, what's the max storage and how much better will we do than 4K raw which is about 15 minutes a GB? My other gripe is not being able to record 2K. 1080p is not 2K. 2K is what indy doc film makers need in the field as the storage demands of 4K are just a little ludacris especially on the wallet. Any one have any ideas/info? Would love to know. I want to put together the GH4 with a competent 4K/2K recorder that can get me Pro Res @ 10bit 4.2.2 (not so bothered about 444). Is the Odessey 7Q the recorder for me? Especially considering I need this for June!

April 11, 2014 at 5:51AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shaolin

it said quite a few times in the video they wont release until way after June

April 11, 2014 at 10:25AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Chris Lambert

1080p ProRes HQ @ 220 Mbps takes about 78 Gig per hour. 4K takes four times as much. SSD's come in a number of capacities.
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PS. Ludacris is a rapper, whose real name is Chris, i.e., his stage name is a play on words.

April 11, 2014 at 12:47PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

Lol. You pedantic much? You get my point. Ludacris is a much better way to spell Ludicrous in this day and age. :) (hopefully you went really being a geeky a**hole like many people here seem to be). Philip Bloom goes in depth about 4k storage issues on his blog when dealing with the BMCC, very eye opening. We get delivered full 2K HQ Pro Res 422 features at over 2 hours and they rarely exceed 100 GB (delivered by studios to master for DCP), I guess that's because bit rate is less important to them once the film has been finalised and graded.

April 13, 2014 at 7:50AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shaolin

By the way, I am not calling you an a-hole sorry if my post appears offensive that was not my intention. My problem is this. I will be filming a documentary in a dangerous location for one month on a budget. Shooting 4k is my desire but it's completely impractical at these storage rates unless I am willing to compromise and capture using a more aggressive compression. As my final destination is 2K cinema mastering I need to a compromise that works. Working in digital cinema I am aware that well acquired HD works fine for 2K. Many cinema goers would be apprised how much is actually mastered for protection from HD sources but I want the highest quality and future proofing. Perhaps JVCs prototype will offer the compromise I am looking for

April 13, 2014 at 8:34AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shaolin

Unless I'm wrong (on mobile so very possible as I can't watch the vid clearly) Atamos are saying their 12Gb raid array will offer 2 hours 4k storagehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-THzgdsRTZM

April 13, 2014 at 9:10AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shaolin

Errr my bad. Obviously that is not what they are saying. I'll refrain from posting till I have the facts

April 13, 2014 at 9:58AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shaolin

Surely someone could make a 4k recorder a lot cheaper ???

April 11, 2014 at 6:34AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Sam

They could but not with all that exceptional functionality. It really is the dopest thing you can have on set. Those waveforms, vectorscopes and immediate LUTs along with those beautiful focus peaking monitors - this is the tool that really shines. I like its functionality (at least the Blade) above the 7Q - but the 4K is the all important factor here. Al least Atmos allow all types of drives rather than the 7Q which requires you buy their super expensive format

April 11, 2014 at 7:20AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shaolin

Looks cold on that stand...

Did I hear that right HDD's on the Shogun in RAID??? For 4k recording????

April 11, 2014 at 8:02AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Chris Lambert

I think he was saying you can connect a raid to it.

April 14, 2014 at 12:01PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dave Cearley

No one was looking at the product close ups in that last segment :)

April 11, 2014 at 8:21AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Chris

Why not Msata for the Star? The form factor is nearly as small and the media itself is considerably cheaper with more reputable manufacturers.

April 11, 2014 at 10:32AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Krishna Yalla

At some point I zoned out from what he was saying, was watching the two girls in spandex in the background doing kicks. lol

April 11, 2014 at 10:34AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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so, would this be able to record RAW from the BMPCC?

April 11, 2014 at 10:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Phil

No because the BMPCC only outputs 1080p over its hdmi

April 11, 2014 at 7:32PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Peter

1080p as in not a raw signal, its fully processed.

April 11, 2014 at 7:33PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Peter

lol. Dudes will be dudes. (She was a little too hot and distracting for the occasion though).

April 11, 2014 at 6:10PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Would this shogun record 4k from the gh4??

April 11, 2014 at 7:03PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Whispers

Yes, via HDMI directly and via SDI through YAGH attachment.

April 11, 2014 at 10:45PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

I understand there's a bit of a tradition to it and all, but using a booth girls like that these days is in poor taste.

April 11, 2014 at 11:46PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Brian

I think it is too. You can see some other women from their booth wearing "sexy ninja" costumes too, and they look pretty bored/funny practicing their kicks in the background. That level of booth babe isn't concerning, still unnecessary, but whatever. Full-on body-painted woman, however, is just too much. Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to grow-up.

May 14, 2015 at 2:56PM

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Awesome next generation products. You have to give it to Atomos, they really don`t fail to deliver when it comes to delivering affordable recorders with good codecs.
But one has to wonder, why a company that in many ways represents the future of independent filmmaking neds to resort to plain sexist product promotion, Having only guys presenting the product is one thing, but using bodypainted girls or girls in bodysuits is just tasteless. And the way the girl is used in the video, just holding the product and smiling, unbearable. What kind of industry is this? Seriously, as a male consumer and fimmaker I have been a huge fan of their products, but I am no longer a fan of the company, it`s policy concerning women simply is wrong. Shame on you Atomos. And to nofilmschool, next time think twice what and more important who you put in the frame.

April 12, 2014 at 7:40AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kay Otto

Get a life Kay...

April 12, 2014 at 11:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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HappyChappy

+1

April 13, 2014 at 1:20PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kuk

kind of agree. really uncomfortable to watch her just standing there smiling like a statue or something.

April 12, 2014 at 1:19PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Agree 100%. Products are great. Hopefully they can move there marketing into 2014 alongside there fantastic technology. I support Atmos 100%, hopefully they can grow to support a better marketing philosophy too

April 13, 2014 at 7:38AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Shaolin

I quite enjoyed seeing the girl just standing there... smiling and not talking. The best part is that it looks like that outfit was painted on her nude body. It even looks like her nipples are exposed. Freakin awesome! I, for one, commend Atomos for using this advertising tactic. I only wish more manufacturers would do the same. P.S. I'm a man, not a girly man.

April 13, 2014 at 9:33AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Its just paint and not an outfit and you are blind ;o)

April 13, 2014 at 1:23PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kuk

Your comment is exactly how I feel. They have a great product, but as a company they could use a wake-up call after this. I also appreciate that you pointed out nofilmschool as well. They could have easily chosen to not have the model in the shot and got b-roll of the product after from a display.

May 14, 2015 at 3:03PM, Edited May 14, 3:03PM

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Stephanie Dzieglo
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btw, same goes for the preview photo nofilmschool.com chose for the article, poor choice

April 12, 2014 at 8:26AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kay Otto

Yeah, I could have done with a different preview image too.

April 15, 2014 at 3:31PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Caleb B.

Yes, it's sexist, but it's also just so freaking awkward, having her stand there and smile in a body-painted superhero outfit. Everybody becomes a sort of David Brent in that kind of situation... So very uncool.

April 12, 2014 at 11:53AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Einar

Hi Einar,

I have to say I did a double take when I saw your post on here as there are not too many Einar's around. I post responses from time to time on NoFilmSchool and will put my last initial on my posts from now on and was wondering if you'd be ok to do the same? It's a small community in some respects and it'd be helpful I think if our comments were not confused by others. Pretty much agree with your comment as well.
- Einar

April 12, 2014 at 6:55PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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So I take it you don't want to be confused with a guy who doesn't objectify women?

April 14, 2014 at 11:58AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dave Cearley

DSLRNoob (the name of the site) says that there was a lot of rambling at the NAB about Atomos indeed bringing out a 4K version of the Star later on. In that case, CFast 2.0 cards would fill an important requirement.

April 13, 2014 at 6:48AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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DLD

I came here just for distraction and find out very decent presentation.

April 13, 2014 at 1:30PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Kuk

Here-- Take My Money!!!

(Wha? Ah no, no. I was talking to the bodypaint girl..)

April 13, 2014 at 8:13PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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jaybird

For $ 200 more you get 4k 60p to 240fps 1080p on the FS700 with the odyssey 7Q from convergent design. You also get more functionality (multiple camera) and camera compatibility for now from what I have seen. The only advantage I see is that you can write to standard HDD or SSD compared to Convergent design card.

April 14, 2014 at 7:23AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Daniel

Atomos has some very compelling products. Why in the world do they think they have to put a woman's nipples on display to sell them? A naked girl in body paint to show off a new product? Leave it to the Aussies to be so completely clueless, and disgusting.

April 14, 2014 at 11:52AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dave Cearley

This is the sort of typical American politically correct, dysfunctional and prudish attitude to a bit of lovely female exposure that we from Downunder (and most Europeans) find rather pathetic...and sad.

Rather than being completely "clueless and disgusting" Atomos know exactly what they are doing...going by the reaction here (distressed though much of it is).

Davo mate...be a real man and grow a couple...

April 14, 2014 at 2:31PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Skippy@NAB

Skippy, the objections to the use of body painted show models to sell video equipment is not necessarily about being prudish. The objection is due to the misogyny inherent in this type of presentation. Based on your comment "Davo mate…be a real man and grow a couple…", I realize that the use of blatant misogyny to sell a product is not a problem for you, but some of us find it off-putting and wish that the companies in this industry would attempt to be a little more politically correct. Especially since the industry already has a massive image problem when it comes to sexism. I, myself, find it surprising that Atomos thought this type of thing was a good idea for a trade show, but, like you said, the company is from Downunder.

April 14, 2014 at 5:33PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Casey

Change the headline to "Atomos shows off their Misogyny to the world".

April 14, 2014 at 11:55AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Dave Cearley

Wish they'd just put hdsdi in/out on these as well as hdmi. Just charge extra and save me having to add on another converter. More equipment means more hassle in the field.

April 15, 2014 at 2:37PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Tom

I don't have a problem with the painted model then again I'm a man, she has a sticker over her nipple, c'mon she's having fun, she's not being exploited she's making money doing nothing like the queen.

I've never been a bog fan of Atomos maybe because of the below, I like that Black Magic is all for firmware updates rather obsoletion (is that a word), anyway a great read and see if you still like Atomos afterwards:
Black Magic vs Atomos

http://sites.thomsonreuters.com.au/journals/files/2010/09/WR-1.2_VassWat...

April 15, 2014 at 4:51PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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James C

They treat OBJECTS like WOMEN

April 15, 2014 at 6:26PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Where did the red blooded American man disappear too? If you don't like it, ignore it. No one is making you look or focus on it if it disgusts you so much. And if you will say, "but its in your face and we cant ignore it" then one has to wonder about the morals of the prudes condemning this - if your morals are so strong why look? Why stare? A lack of self control perhaps?...........

Kind of ironic......in an industry that despises censorship, half of you want to censor this particular type of promotion........

April 16, 2014 at 12:32AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Mark Y

What fullhd and uhd modes does the Ninja Star record?

April 16, 2014 at 1:21AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Wayne Morellini

I've found a cfast to sdxc card adapter. If it's true that 10bit 422 1080p in Pro Res HQ has a bit-rate of 27.5MB/s, the shouldn't the write speed of the new class 3 SDXC cards be up to the job?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DeLock-CFast-Adaptor-Memory-Cards/dp/B006TC8AI2/...

April 18, 2014 at 7:46AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Bill

I agree with dixter about the girl!. I listened intently to every word, but also enjoyed looking at the girl. I will buy the Shogun for the GH4 and the Sony A7s. If I understand correctly, the GH4 HDMI out is capable of 10 bit 422 while the Sony A7s is 8 bit 422. Is there much significance between these bit rates regarding the quality of the image?

April 21, 2014 at 7:07AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Too bad the CFast 2.0 cards cost a multiple of the recorder, starting at $700 for a meager 60GB and beyond $1200 for more. At that price only justifiable for quadcopters etc which need to be light.

May 15, 2014 at 2:21PM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Martin Voelker

Pathetic. Great product and we have been seriously considering getting a couple when they come out to go with A7s for social media content but really, boobies? Although the usual control freaks and wowsers have swarmed to the concept of good manners and consideration for other people (disparagingly called political correctness), that doesn't mean we should be sexist, racist or any other nasty -ist. Using a nearly naked woman to sell a bit of gear is just pathetic. We''ll probably get the Shogun as I don't know of any alternatives but Atomos has a big question mark over their brand now. I'm the digital director at an agency here in London and if there are two products that do nearly the same thing, I won't be getting the Atomos version. Women outnumber men quite a bit as Brand Managers and I hope to hell none of the clients we deal with connect the brand name on the box on top of the camera with this video. As I said, pathetic.

August 14, 2014 at 3:50AM, Edited September 4, 11:56AM

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Simon Shepherd