This episode of the No Film School Podcast, recorded live at the Sundance Film Festival, founder Ryan Koo sits down with Julien and Justen Turner—real-life brothers and co-creators of FreeLance, an indie TV pilot that debuted in the festival’s Episodic Pilot Showcase.

The Turner Brothers walk through their journey of building a creative career outside of New York or LA, self-funding their show in Columbus, Ohio, and pulling off a high-production-value pilot in just four days. They talk about their process, influences, and how their authentic, relatable characters came to life through personal experience and community-driven production.


In this episode, we discuss:

  • The origin of the episodic pilot category at Sundance and its importance for indie creators
  • How the Turner Brothers’ musical upbringing led to an early love of filmmaking
  • Their decision to self-fund FreeLance instead of attending Sundance in 2023
  • Turning real-life freelance filmmaking experiences (like wedding videography chaos) into episodic comedy
  • Casting comedians, athletes, and non-actors from social media and commercial work
  • Building a 150-page show bible and planning a multi-season vision
  • The four-day shoot that captured 41 minutes of content, including an improvised scene in a thrifted basement
  • How making content in Ohio allowed the show to break traditional industry molds
  • Advice for filmmakers: choose a date, build your team, and just shoot
  • The surreal moment of getting the Sundance acceptance call (via their mom!)
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